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Attention Hunters!

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Attention Hunters!

When the rural fashion scene is dominated by neon orange and camouflage, you know its hunting season.

I’ve been lucky – I have a good relationship with the people who hunt our woodlots. For the most part, they’re respectful of my family, our privacy and our property. But I’ve noticed that as hunting becomes more popular, the people knocking at my door asking for permission to hunt are less in tune with the fact that I’m trying to make a living from these properties. They are also more aggressive and pushy in their efforts to gain access to our property, and this is a turn-off for me. I call it the Rambo factor. Have gun – must shoot.

We need responsible hunters to keep the deer and wild turkey population at a reasonable level. We also need hunters to understand that they should not: put nails in trees when installing tree stands, knock down more corn than a herd of deer in pursuit of that mega-rack, leave their garbage behind, or park vehicles in appropriate places (blocking field access). I don’t think this is asking for much.

Some farmers think it would be fair to charge hunters a fee to access the game on the property. I’d be interested to hear if anyone has explored or undertaken these kinds of arrangements and what’s involved. The word “liability” leaps to mind.

Hunters like to think they are really helping me by harvesting the deer on my farms. I guess this is true, but it’s the hordes of dog-sized raccoons that are really hurting my bottom line. In fields that border woodlots, I give up the first 12 rows to these corn-gobbling vermin. Deer are dainty nibblers – raccoons are gluttons. To add insult to injury, if you leave the combine in the field overnight, they use the engine compartment as their porta-potty. Man, that makes me mad.

When I tell hunters that if they really want to endear themselves to farmers, they’ll take out some raccoons, they look at me like I just asked them to clean a truck-stop bathroom. The indignity of the request is written all over their faces – they did not buy $10,000 worth of gun/scope/GPS/camo-wear to hunt the lowly raccoon. Ever seen a raccoon head mounted over a basement bar? There is no such thing as a “trophy” raccoon. One hunter said shooting raccoons was against his morals as he did not eat raccoon meat. I asked him what he did if he had mice in the house.

Maybe we need to the boys in the biotech lab to genetically engineer a raccoon that has antlers so we can get the big game hunters to help us out.

What do you think? Do you have a positive relationship with hunters? Should we ask hunters to help us with vermin in return for access to trophy animals?

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Peter Gredig
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Author :          JoAnn Alumbaugh
Date Posted : 11/5/2009 12:22:44 PM
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Love your commentary Peter! I know of several farmers in our area who charge a fee for hunting. In fact one guy has a family from St. Louis who pays a substantial amount (enough, in fact, to cover the taxes on the farm) for exclusive rights. Especially if you're spending time cleaning up after people, it seems a small thing to ask.
Raccoons are a problem around here too - perhaps we could have a massive trapping party and send them all, dead or alive, to the HSUS.
Date Posted : 11/6/2009 11:21:29 AM
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If the tree huggers want to maintain excess wild life on my farm I strongly beleive I should receive
payments from them per animal unit. They should also pay for any disease that are transmitted to my farm animals and crop damage
Date Posted : 11/6/2009 11:23:16 AM
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Makes me proud to me a Raccoon Hunter with hounds. Been doing this for the past 53 years and am proud to say, I have been welcomed with open arms by the same bunch of farmers. Some are now the 3rd generation of the land, but the same families. In fact, one farmer has told others that they have to get the OK from me to hunt----I told him to please not do that, he pays the taxes and he is the owner, thanks but no thanks if you know what I mean.
As far as being a hunter and getting the permission to hunt, if your a butt hole and think you have the RIGHT to hunt, forget it----you are fighting a battle that you will lose.
Relationships are earned, not free.
Date Posted : 11/6/2009 12:01:20 PM
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I bet it would not take much to find some coon hunter who would love to come in with his hounds and help you out. My son coon hunts and is always looking for places to hunt. Just ask around I am sure you can find some help.
Date Posted : 11/6/2009 12:48:37 PM
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Your post definitely makes me upset. As a hunter, I cannot believe someone that got permission to hunt on your land would be so disrespectful. The things that you list as grievances seem like common sense to me. But as the saying goes, "common sense is not so common" and that certainly seems to be the case. I have always asked the property owner about any special conditions, where I should hunt and where I should not, are there any livestock I should stay clear from, etc. I always offer a share of the game should my hunt be successful and if you asked me to shoot raccoons, I certainly would do so without hesitation. Perhaps giving the hunters a list of "dos and don'ts" is a good idea. And I would definitely charge them something. Putting a value on it sometimes tends to make people appreciate it more.
Date Posted : 11/6/2009 1:47:44 PM
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I think a fee is definitely warranted. You can't shoot a deer on Main Street in a city and farmers are in need of any help they can get to keep them from selling to the development companies. If these folks aren't willing to follow some do's and don'ts from the landowner, as well as plinking some destructive vermon, the trees and cornfields may just be taken over by townhouses.
Follow the rules set by the landowner! HE is letting YOU use HIS land for YOUR recreation. We have had great guys and some real slobs who will not be back. These slobs left garbage, beer cans, went across places they were told to avoid with 4 wheelers because they were too lazy to drag a deer, drilled steps into valuable cherries and still acted as if I had 3 heads when I told them to not come back. "Hey man, we're reducing your deer damage." All the deer shot on this property in in the past 50 years did not make near that kind of mess.
However, we have had gentlemen who are willing to share some of their harvest, pay a fee and even help around the place.
They will always be welcome.
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Date Posted : 11/6/2009 9:44:46 PM
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We have hunters from the States who are very respectful. The racoons are pests here also, but the hunters are looking for geese and deer. For those looking to turn raccoons into saleable items, get them mounted, and then market them. We used a mounted raccoon this summer for our VBS program that needing decorating like a bayou...get creative with recycling those critters !
The mounted raccoon was donated by a local hunter, and returned with thanks.
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Date Posted : 11/6/2009 11:58:46 PM
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I agree that there are more hunters that are pushy about deer hunting than before. We have allowed people to hunt for years and it seems the newer generation does not appreciate the hospitality. Anytime you need them coons killed get in touch, love to turn the hounds lose. Take care.
Date Posted : 11/8/2009 6:01:08 PM
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I have grown to like the idea of a fee or lease to get exclusive rights to hunt a property. I have several farmers that have allowed me to hunt their ground and I am grateful for that. BUt on the same side of the issue I also have mentioned to them that if they ever want to go to a fee based or lease type arrangement, count me in! I want to be completely fair with the landowners as well as respect the property they own. Treat it as if it was your own and they will welcome you back.
Date Posted : 11/9/2009 9:57:55 AM
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I have grown up three generations deep in farming in rural eastern Iowa where the north fork and the south fork Maquoketa River meet and soon merge into the mighty Mississippi. My insight to leasing hunting rights and property strongly differentiate to views of most in this article. Where I am from it is becoming nearly impossible for a farm kids to find a place to hunt anymore. We cannot compete with the price that these high end doctors and lawyers are paying just to lease farm ground to shoot one deer. I remember as a kid everyone hunted everyone’s ground in our area and all of us enjoyed it greatly. There wasn’t just one deer or one turkey being harvested on somebody’s property but often several. Not to mention that a very large portion of us hunted for much more than just a trophy it was something we enjoyed and respected. Coon hunting was a past time found by my friends and me as something much more affordable on a Friday night than driving forty miles into the city and catching a movie or whatever else you might find there. The stories that come to mind from nights we spent along the river bluffs would be hard to capture in ones imagination. We hunted everything we could squirrel, deer, turkey, coyote, pheasant, rabbit, and crows. Trapping was also a part of it and was a way for us to make a few extra dollars. Hunting was part of our roots and I see our roots being stripped away every day. As I grow closer to raising my own children and farming the soils that my family has for generations it scares me to think of what might become of this wonderful life lesson and hobby many of us have enjoyed in our lives. When my kids grow up will they even be able to find a place to hunt? I do think that it is wonderful America in general has come to see this as a wonderful sport, don’t get me wrong. But, as a sibling born to a farming family that has been upheld by generations after generation I find it very difficult to understand some of the farmers in my area complaining about the crop damage sustained by wildlife when they let just one fat wallet sit in there timber all hunting season. Revoking the locals who run their dogs to hunt coon and coyote for we might scare MR big moneys trophy buck off the farm. We never use to have to worry about this type of scenario because it was a hidden secret known only to the local population. We hunted each other’s property and we all hunted. We harvested allot of fine animals and property was respected because we knew what it was like to mind the fence, fix the roads that ran thru our acreage, and plant the crops that we harvested. It wasn’t about putting a trophy on the wall in a high-rise office in downtown Chicago or making a movie about shooting the biggest buck. Hunting was a second nature, it was a way of life, and it was a legacy. One of which is being smothered by greed and wealth.

I hope that a few other farmers will take a look at this and think a little bit the next time that sixteen year old boy pulls in the driveway in his 94 Ford Ranger with four different tires on it and ask for your permission to go shot a couple squirrels for the afternoon. He does not have that fat wallet to hand you the Bingaman’s for a life time of memories to be made, but I can guarantee he is not going to forget you, or disrespect the soil that you depend to keep a roof over your family’s head.
Date Posted : 11/9/2009 3:09:40 PM
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We have had illegal trespassing/hunters on our property, it's not a good thing. We have kids running around our property and worry about them taking a stray bullet from illegal animal poachers and hunters who trespass. We have posted a fish and wildlife poster on each one of our fencelines, bordering our property. People wilfully choose to ignore this too.

I say, if these hunters want to play 'Rambo' no problem....., why don't we send them off to Iraq where they can do some good. This otta get rid of this desire to fire off 'rounds', rather than trespassing on home ground and endangering locals.

Don't get me wrong, I have a WIN ticket to hunt too, however you don't fnd me trespassing or poaching.
Date Posted : 11/12/2009 1:59:11 PM
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As a hunter, I must echo some other comments I have read, your notes anger me. Not for your feelings, but for the ignorance of the hunters asking for permission. It is rude and inconsiderate of them to assume that you will allow anyone to hunt on your land because they want to.

Now onto your question about fees for hunting. You are right to worry about "liability". I am an insurance agent and nothing makes an insurance company more nervous than finding out that the landowner is charging a fee for hunting. This is a quick way to find yourself without farm insurance. That being said, you can purchase special liability insurance for this, and have the hunter pay that fee as well as your hunting fee.

The coverage is available, but before you start taking checks and signing agreements, I would do all your homework and make sure this minor side deal won't put you in hot water.
Date Posted : 11/17/2009 1:45:02 PM
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"I have grown up three generations deep in farming in rural eastern Iowa where the north fork and the south fork Maquoketa River meet and soon merge into the mighty Mississippi. My insight to leasing hunting rights and property strongly differentiate to views of most in this article."

i would have to agree with a lot of what you said there and throughout your post. sounds kinda like it used to belike here in Eastern NC once upon a time. the last 20 years have really changed a lot of the landscape here and brought with it a bunch of "hunters" outa the woodwork . here, some deer clubs are always looking for more members so they can rent more ground or out rent someone else. clubs have ruined deer hunting as far as i'm concerned as they bring in members who haven't a clue of who OWNS what, where landowners live and which landowners actually hunt themselves. can't tell you the amount of times someone has tried to run me or another farmer friend off their own land just because they where a member of such & such club. and i don't deer hunt, well haven't since the early 80s. and they don't understand that just because they belong to the "deer club" that, that does not extend them the right to hunt anything other than deer nor allow them to travel the land all summer long too! and you can't make most of them understand why? i hate to make a big to do about it as i'm afraid that some of these "moveins" wouldn't be beyond messing with equipment sitting in the field. we lease several 100 acres of timber/swampland to one club and have no trouble with them, but it is the other clubs around us that cause so much trouble.

and what in large part has brought about all this interest in hunting are all these Stupid Hunting Shows that are now on TV, IMO! most of those shows are staged and take weeks to get the 30 minute show that is shown but they would have you believe not. you get someone who moves into the country, makes friends with someone already in a club and walla, you have a new deer hunter in town whom the majority of have no idea of what they are doing. deer hunting is a cheap hobby, get a license, a gun- ammo and a orange hat and you're good to go!

here we can still shoot a rifle (but it's day are numbered), and you have these nuts who have no idea where anything is out there and most don't know/understand that a rifle ball will travel much farther than what they are shooting at!!!! i don't want to see the Counties or State take this right away but it's coming cause of all these "moveins".

hunting is just like NASCAR has become, the commercialization......ie......MONEY...... made off the sports has ruined them for the genuine fans of either sport respectfully!
Date Posted : 11/26/2009 2:46:31 PM
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I fully agree with you on this topic, I am a hunter in the Kitchener Ontario area and have found it extremely hard to gain access to private land or farms around the area. So i have to take my hunting to the Huron area where i can gain access. If all i had to do to gain access to a farm or a wooded lot was take care of the pests ie. raccoons i would jump on the opportunity to secure the land to hunt on. I am a moral hunter and hunt within all the guidelines but to harvest the raccoons for the pelts witch can be sold just like the coyote pelts can would be a great opportunity that no one should pass. Most responsible hunters should realize by taking out some raccoons would help with other wildlife like grouse and turkey and so on. Only because they would not raid the nests for the eggs. I now i am not a member here but i stumbled across this and just had to post my opinion. And well if any farmer or land owner in my area is looking for someone to help them control the pest on their property just fire me off a e-mail and maybe we can work something out. once again great outlook on the subject at hand. thanks mark
Date Posted : 3/2/2010 7:05:18 PM
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I completely agree, it does not hurt the hunter or the land for the hunter to earn his right to be able to hunt on any particular farmers acreage. I am a serious hog hunter, I also hunt deer, coyote, and any game animal. But, I do not kill anything I dont eat and I eat a lot of bacon! The problem is, farmers don't ask hunters for help, they wait for the hunter to come ask them. Now, I agree with the farmer on the fact that hunters should help the farmer out in controlling animals doing damage to crops, thats only right (morally, man give you permission to hunt his land you should help him out)! Then again look at the way people are raising their kids today ("you didnt pay to hunt hogs you paid to hunt deer") well my friend, I would hunt hogs for "free"! I love helping my fellow man and in turn it helps him to help me! "I get plenty of bacon and pork-chops!!!!
Date Posted : 12/1/2010 10:58:34 AM
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hi

i know what u mean when you feed the fuzzy thing that u dont want to we had problems in the hunders what we found that work the best was " who ever shoots the most i bye them a box of beer or a bottle of the chocie for 40 $ investment man there was a lot of shootng right know we might have 10% from 10 years age i think it was all the shooting that worked any ways try geting agroup together and go from there if not work give me a call and there 's about 12 of u that like to do this and day of the week just for fun!


your freind farmer with hardly no racoons (jonathan)
Date Posted : 12/16/2010 3:57:04 PM
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This is an old post, but the problem probably still exists. The fee you should be collecting from the hunters should be put back into the land. This is proper land management. As far as the littering, a firm understanding should be made "you leave garbage....you leave". Then, the clean-up of the minor litter problem that remains could be financed, along with nuisance wildlife removal, and pocket the rest with a smile on your face knowing that the land is benefitting and so are you.
Date Posted : 9/28/2011 11:54:15 PM
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I am not a farmer myself or a land owner for that fact, but I'm shocked by the experiences you all have had. I hope this is a misrepresentation of hunters. For me, I have hunted my whole life and so thankful have done so. Great way for me to connect with my aging father and get to enjoy the silence and peacefulness in the woods. I do not understand those who would trash the place they are trying to enjoy and the same property someone let them hunt. Just wanted to say we aren't all inconsiderate/beer drinking/ 4-wheelin' tearing up your fields. Lots of us hunters very much appreciate the fact you let us enjoy what i enjoy most
Date Posted : 3/5/2013 1:59:10 AM
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I have read and agree with your comments on the hunters and there disrespect for your land and wishes. people like that have made it hard for my friend and I to find land to hunt on.
we are happy to rid your raccoons, possums, pigeons or whatever your problem maybe in return to be able to tag the odd deer or turkey that's in season.
we are from the London Ontario area and we look forward to any reply thank you
Date Posted : 4/20/2013 6:35:09 PM
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I am new to hunting and reaching out to farmers in the area. My family lost their farm we had in Binbrook, ON so hunting was never introduced to me until meeting people through the Military that I did. I would like the opportunity to supply my family with natural game along with building relationships with farmers to not only to gain their trust but help them and their lands if needed. After reading some of the responses I understand their are a lot of problems with people not respecting the property or farmers afraid of liability issues and would like to show farmers their would never be an issue with me hunting there lands. I would also like to help with any varmint animals that a farmer is having issues with. I would also always make the farmer aware I am coming to their property in advance if kids or other problems may arise for hunting at that time. If there is any advice or contacts with property to get me started in the right direction it would be much appreciated.
Date Posted : 11/22/2013 3:35:14 PM
  
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